Keli'i Akina interviews economist De Rugy. The host for this episode is Keli'i Akina. The guest for this episode is Veronique de Rugy. Hawaii’s unemployment insurance system is in crisis, with stalled payments, rampant fraud, and massive debt leading to higher taxes. Is there a better way to help the unemployed? International economist Veronique de Rugy says yes based on her study of best practices across the nation and the world. In this episode, Grassroot Institute president Keli’i Akina and De Rugy discuss possible solutions for Hawaii‘s unemployment insurance needs.