Dr. Debra Soh is joined by Jake Shields (5-time world champion in mixed-martial arts and former UFC fighter) to discuss whether transgender fighters should be in the women's division, his iconic fight with Georges St. Pierre, UFC in the early days, how it evolved, and what it takes to rank as a top 10 fighter for over a decade. // Get "The End of Gender" at DrDebraSoh.com (FREE Audible audiobook), @DrDebraSoh // Please support this podcast: Get 5 FREE trial packs of Athletic Greens and FREE Vitamin D at athleticgreens.com/SOH (use code SOH) // Patreon: patreon.com/drdebrasoh // Find Jake at americanfight.com, @jakeshieldsajj // Executive production and audio engineering by Dr. Debra Soh 2022 Dr. Debra Soh